Listener’s Letters: Inquiries Into Our Quest to Have a Top Parenting Teens Blog

We respond to listener's letters about our parenting teens blog

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As we faced our son’s imminent departure, we asked ourselves, “Selves, what do we want to do with all this extra time we’ll have once our bird has flown?” and we answered, “Set out to create a parenting teens blog, that includes how we raised him (role-reversed), the college transition, and life as empty nesters.” Is that too tall an order? We don’t think so. At least not yet.

And now, we have letters.

Our small, but growing tribe has questions about us and our journey to offer an intriguing, and hopefully, helpful parenting teens blog.

Some of the questions were a bit personal, but we found a way around that.

In this episode you’ll hear about:

  • Paul’s POV on riding his motorcycle solo
  • Why it was inevitable that Indra would be the breadwinner
  • Indra’s secret joy at Jesse’s desire to live on the East Coast
  • How Paul and Indra knew they belonged together
  • What Indra does in her free time (what free time?!)
  • And more…

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  • Listener's Letters: Inquiries into our Quest to Have a Top Parenting Teens Blog Transcript - OBHF Podcast Ep. 12

    Paul Bowers: I have a bunch of questions from listeners. And, one of these has like five very intimate questions. Could we use that yeah?

    Indra Bowers: Yea, sure. Why not?

    Paul Bowers:  Oh goodness,

    Indra Bowers:  Come on, it’s our show we can do what we want.

    [Music – Our Bird Has Flown]

     

    Paul Bowers:  Hello and welcome to the Our Bird has flown podcast. I am Paul M Bowers broadcasting to you from the studios of WB6QWDwith the Edison bulb that hangs from its cord from the center of the dusty urban ham shack. Today I’m with my favorite host Indra Gardiner Bowers.

    Indra Bowers:Hi y’all.

    Paul Bowers: So, we started thinking oh wait, we can’t start thinking about that. We have a little business to take care of, don’t we?

    Indra Bowers: We have to thank our sponsors helping us become a top parenting teens blog, and today our sponsor is Green Fresh Florals. Green Fresh Florals, that’s a mouthful, is located in Hillcrest in San Diego and is one of the leading floral designers in San Diego for weddings, parties, corporate events or just some really beautiful flowers and now plants for your home. They’re located on Fifth Avenue in beautiful Hillcrest. You can find them online at www.greenfreshflorals.comthey will deliver to you, they’ll design for your party or stop by their beautiful shop in Hillcrest on Fourth Avenue.

    Paul Bowers: And be sure to mention that you heard about them on “The Our bird Has Flown podcast and my understanding is if you go to www.greenfreshflorals.com  sign up for their newsletter, you get 20% off.

    Indra Bowers: Nice.

    Paul Bowers:   I know, it’s a heck of a discount.

    Indra Bowers: I’m going to do that.

    Paul Bowers:  I know I haven’t done it yet it.

    Indra Bowers: Good to know.

    Paul Bowers: I know I just found out it was actually a listener that pinged me and said “hey did you know ” I was like oh I should mention that I suppose  www.greenfreshflorals.com  in San Diego’s Hillcrest and worldwide at  www.greenfreshflorals.com. So, we started getting some emails, some letters from questions from listeners. We thought it’s time to tackle those and so we have some up here. We have some actually on paper and then we have others on the screen. Why don’t you start with one?

    Indra Bowers: Okay, so we got a question from a listener, “Hey Paul, I read your story about riding your motorcycle in, Colorado”. For those of you who don’t know, there’s a story on the website about Paul’s motorcycle ride through Ouray the Switzerland of America in Colorado and this reader wanted to know do you ride alone? And if so, is that really safe?

    Paul Bowers: Well, of course motorcycling is entirely safe, and I don’t want anybody to worry about it and I particularly don’t want you to worry about it.

    Indra Bowers: Aww yeah, I never worry. Right!

    Paul Bowers: [laughter]That’s an easy first, I got to tell you motorcycling is probably the dumbest thing that I do as a father and a husband. There’s any number of other things that are low risk activities I could do. I have certainly, I have sailed before, I was a sailor for a long time. But, fortunately or not there is nothing like the intensity of riding a motorcycle and particularly a dual sport bike, I rode on the street for a long time, been to lots of training and done all that kind of stuff, I had five motorcycles when we first got married do you remember? No, you probably don’t.

    Indra Bowers: Oh, I remember the five motorcycles, believe me.

    Paul Bowers:  Yeah weren’t they, wasn’t that kind of an attractive part of me?

    Indra Bowers: I don’t know if that’s the word I would use attractive, certainly interesting that you had such an obsession with motorcycles that was new for me.

    Paul Bowers: Hey obsessions probably a little bit.

    Indra Bowers: Is that a harsh word?

    Paul Bowers: I think it’s a little.

    Indra Bowers:Five motorcycles are a little.

    Paul Bowers: Different tools for different jobs.

    Indra Bowers: Okay,

    Paul Bowers: Nevertheless, I sold them all shortly after we married and with the anticipation of being a dad and I told you that I reserved the right to buy something in the future and at that point, I decided that riding on the street is probably a little too dangerous, too much going on.

    I’m relatively skilled, relatively trained but there’s a lot of drivers out there who are not, so I decided that at some point I was going to have what’s called a dual sport bike. Which is mostly a dirt bike that has a license plate and enough lights that it becomes legal and in fact, I have two of those, ones an adventure bike and one’s that dual sport bike, I generally ride with my buddies. It’s a lot of fun and being with my buddies is a lot of fun. It’s a good way to socialize without you know, for me I’m an introvert, so okay, we have breakfast and we go ride. We ride connected with radios so that we keep track of each other.

    We don’t end up spending a bunch of time of our riding time looking for each other when somebody’s lost.   I enjoy that part I do enjoy the camaraderie, but I started out riding by myself and I really enjoy it, I get to, I get all the autonomy I like to get up and ride at 6 a.m. when the sun’s just coming up and if you look at the pictures in, Colorado; actually, more the pictures in Utah, then I got a very early start which my buddies don’t like to do and the light is beautiful and there’s no traffic and the temperatures are reasonable and controlled.

    I really enjoy that, so the answer is I try to ride with my buddies but it’s not always possible and if I kept trying and wouldn’t ride unless I had somebody ride with I’f never get a chance to ride.

    So, I ride solo. When I ride solo I make specific choices. I don’t go very far remote or if it goes remote, it has to be on a road that is fairly well traveled. An example of that is the white room Trail in Canyonlands, Utah. I’m out at six o’clock in the morning, I know if I have a mechanical or an injury or something like that, it won’t be long before somebody in a Jeep is going to come along and you know at least scrape me up off the road.

    Indra Bowers:Oh, that’s nice.

    Paul Bowers: But then I also have other things that I do. I carry two satellite tracking devices that track me and that I can send messages with. One I can send it just a straight SOS. Hey! I’m in trouble scramble the Medics, I have another one that I can text with so, if I have problems I can text and say hey, call my buddy George. I don’t really have a buddy George but call Roger who lives in in Idaho now and he’ll know wherever I am, he can zoom in, he can figure out where I am. I can say hey! get ahold of Roger, I need a sprocket because my sprocket broke, you don’t have to scramble EMS, you don’t have to send a helicopter just send somebody with a sprocket.

    So, I have ways of communicating and staying in touch that add a certain margin of safety. But a motorcycle is inherently dangerous compared to say sitting on the couch somewhere watching golf and that to me is a slow painful death. That answer the question?

    Indra Bowers:I think that answers their question.

    Paul Bowers: All right, so now there’s on the screen here it says questions for Indra. Here’s a good one, I don’t see the recipient on here, who sent this one here. The questions were just typed up, so I don’t know who sent it. But whoever sent this in thank you. Indra…

    Indra Bowers:Yes?

    Paul Bowers: Did you ever think that you would be the primary breadwinner for your family? In your wildest dreams, did you ever think that?

    Indra Bowers:Short answer? No, but if I dig a little deeper, I think it’s not that surprising because, I was very determined from a very young age that I was going to be financially independent and self-sufficient that I would never have to rely on anyone else in order to live my life. So really when you look at that, it kind of makes sense that I would end up being a breadwinner for the family because I was so determined not to be dependent financially, of course, I’m dependent emotionally, but.

    Paul Bowers: And I’m dependent [laughter].

    Indra Bowers:Right, those things were, you know, I had not thought through in my striving to be financially independent, but really it kind of makes sense when you look at what was motivating me from a very young age.

    Paul Bowers:  Oh, that’s it.

    Indra Bowers:You want more?

    Paul Bowers:  Nah, I think that works.

    Indra Bowers:Yeah.

    Paul Bowers: Well we thank our emailer for that question.

    Indra Bowers: Okay, I have another one for you here. Okay.

    Paul Bowers:Is this one on paper? It sounds like it’s on paper.

    Indra Bowers:Yeah, so this writer would like to know Paul, will you be sharing more about how you raised your son in the future? I’d like to hear more about that; me too.

    Paul Bowers:Wait a minute, my son in the future? I have..

    Indra Bowers:In the future will you be talking more about how you raised your son?

    Paul Bowers: Oh sure. Yeah, actually there’s a podcast that you may have heard by now, and if you haven’t go back to it, it’s all about the pneumothorax and you wrote a post on it as well.

    Indra Bowers:I did, I wrote about what we learned from our son having a spontaneous pneumothorax and how important it is to identify a patient advocate for your child if they are moving far away from you, particularlyif they have a pre-existing condition or participate in adventure sports that might land them in the hospital

    Paul Bowers: And that’s at www.ourbirdhasflown.com, isn’t it?

    Indra Bowers:Yes, it is.

    Paul Bowers: In my podcast and I don’t think you’ve heard it yet, it’s a really good podcast. It’s the first one I produced myself in house.

    Indra Bowers:Cool.

    Paul Bowers: It’s all about the soft science of it and about how I see things and I know you find it tiresome, but I see things, everything as a teaching opportunity and certainly going to the hospital and having all the stuff that goes along with going to the hospital. There’s a tremendous teaching opportunity for me and I certainly took advantage of it with the pneumothorax issue.

    So, if you haven’t heard that oh listener or caller or emailer I guess, if you haven’t heard that one, go back to it. It’s a fun one and check it out. Yes, we’ll continue to talk about our topsy-turvy life about how some of the things that I look at particularly in education, but just about everything as far as raising a kid goes again, I am not an expert when it comes to being a parent.

    I am a photographer; however, I’ve learned a lot and I’m happy to pass that on and then what will be interesting is the parenting in the future. He’s about to turn 18, he’s still a dependent, he’ll be going to college we’ll be paying for that. So, there are certain standards that when certain expectations we have of him. So, trying to manage that, manage his autonomy but his responsibility to the household that sponsors him. That’s going to be an interesting dance and I’m sure that our listeners will stay tuned to this channel for that.

    Indra Bowers:We hope.

    Paul Bowers: So, Indra…

    Indra Bowers:Yes.

    Paul Bowers: I heard the episode where you and Jesse talked about going to college on the other side of the country. Tell us how you feel about that, him moving so far away.

    Indra Bowers:Oy, as my family would say.

    Paul Bowers: Your tribe?

    Indra Bowers:My Tribe…oy. So I’m very conflicted, on the one hand, I have secretly wanted him to go to the east coast to go to college pretty much his whole life. I grew up in New York. I went to…

    Paul Bowers:Hey! I never knew that.

    Indra Bowers:You didn’t?

    Paul Bowers:That’s why it’s secret, what other things are being held secret?

    Indra Bowers:I just didn’t want to influence this decision for him. So, I thought I’d better be quiet about it.

    Paul Bowers:You could have told me.

    Indra Bowers:Yeah, I guess it never came up.

    Paul Bowers: Oh, how convenient.

    Indra Bowers: Hmm anyway, I guess I didn’t think it was going to happen and here’s why, so here’s a little detour. About three years ago Jesse and I were in New York on a trip, it was December, it was freezing cold. We were walking up 57th Street with the wind factor it was probably close to zero because it was about 10 degrees outside and he looked at me and said “Mom don’t even ask me, don’t even think about me going to school on the east coast because it’s never going to happen”.

    So, after he said that I thought okay, I’m not going to bring this up, he doesn’t want to do this, meanwhile secretly I did want him to go there because I went to school at UMass Amherst and my dad and his wife lived in Upstate, New York and that whole liberal arts New England college experience is a really special thing.

    Paul Bowers: Liberal.

    Indra Bowers: Liberal Arts.

    Paul Bowers: Liberal.

    Indra Bowers: Liberal Arts and so,

    Paul Bowers: Land of liberal [inaudible 00:03:54] California

    Indra Bowers: Not entirely. So he came to us and said I’ve decided I want to go to school in the Northeast and I started jumping up and down. I was so happy and then of course I thought oh my goodness. How is my Southern California boy going to survive winter on the East Coast when he can barely get a hoodie on when it’s cold out here? But he’ll figure it out. So, I’m conflicted because on the one hand I really want him to have that experience and on the other hand I’m sad about how far away he’s going to be which limits how much we’ll get to see him for the next four years.

    Paul Bowers: Yea understood. It occurred to me just now that his current job at the fish packing plant kind of revs him up a little bit for colder weather doesn’t it?

    Indra Bowers:It is, it’s cold in there all the time isn’t it? [laughter]

    Paul Bowers: He works in a giant refrigerator. I mean he works in the office just slightly outside, but he spends a lot of time in the warehouse and the refrigerator.

    Indra Bowers:That’s so funny, listen it’s good for him. It’ll teach him a whole other way that people live and maybe, I hope he has the opportunity to have to shovel snow.

    Paul Bowers: Idon’t think. My understanding is that the sidewalks are heated.

    Indra Bowers:No way that was at the other school.

    Paul Bowers: Oh, right, but remember the last visit Jesse and I went and it was snowing.

    Indra Bowers:Oh right.

    Paul Bowers: And they had an entire staff with machines that groomed the sidewalks so that the students don’t have to worry about the snow and the ice.

    Indra Bowers: Oh brother!

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    Indra Bowers: Thank you NCRC for doing what you do.

    Paul Bowers: Whose, whose turn is it?

    Indra Bowers: Oh, I think I’m supposed to ask you a question. Let’s see here, what do we have? All right Paul.

    Paul Bowers: Yes?

    Indra Bowers: How long did it take you to know that Indra was the one.

    Paul Bowers: I have to get back to you on that. [laughter]

    Indra Bowers: Not sure yet.

    Paul Bowers: I’ll let you know. No, of course not at some point I mean you were certainly fantastical.

    Indra Bowers: More fantastical?

    Paul Bowers:Yea in fact, now I at that point had no idea where that was going to go, and I got to say I have a great imagination, but I could not have imagined ending up where we are now.

    Indra Bowers: Wow.

    Paul Bowers:And I couldn’t be happier. It’s not it’s not a negative thing, it’s a very positive thing. How our relationship has evolved obviously with Jesse, with work and with home life. I had at one point in my life considered I was dating somebody who was also an entrepreneur and I thought no well.

    Indra Bowers: He’s hemming and hawing people.

    Paul Bowers: She had a business, she was very busy person and I knew if there was going to be a future there that someone was going to have to stay home because that’s one of the things that I believe in. I believe if you have kids then you raise them and I mentioned that at one point well, you know, I could stay home and take care of kids. Oh, no she was not having that.

    Indra Bowers:Oh, really?

    Paul Bowers: Yeah, it was like well, so what and then as things have…

    Indra Bowers:We weren’t as compatible as you thought?

    Paul Bowers:No, it was like she couldn’t even imagine that, and I thought and so that disturbed me on a couple of points first, that she couldn’t imagine that but second that she couldn’t imagine somebody being home with our, at that point fantasy child.

    Indra Bowers:Well, I think a lot of…I think when and I’ve read and I’ve talked to people about this, as soon as you bring children into the equation, there’s a lot of programming societal, familial, religious, and it all comes to the surface even as progressive as you might have thought you were. As cool as you might have thought you were, as soon as kids come intp the equation. There’re some really old tapes that start running which are hard to break.

    Paul Bowers:Well, I think in this case the tape was more about what a man should do.

    Indra Bowers:Right, absolutely.

    Paul Bowers:Not necessarily about what happens when you have a kid just that men are measured by their ability to earn and as we have seen from the post-industrial age men work like crazy, then they would retire and they died shortly thereafter. So, it’s kind of a of a bad sentence for guys for a long time.

    Indra Bowers:Not a good scenario.

    Paul Bowers:But that’s how we came to value men was first how much they earned and then how quickly they left the scene and I questioned that from the very beginning I was 16 years ago when the NRA came up, the not the NRA.

    Indra Bowers:No, the ERA.

    Paul Bowers:ERA, whatever you have the Equal Response.

    Indra Bowers: Let’s not talk about the NRA today.

    Paul Bowers:The equal responsibility Act is what I thought, I love that.

    Indra Bowers:That’s awesome.

    Paul Bowers:Well, I looked at it and I thought well, of course, it’s stupid to discriminate against women.

    Indra Bowers:I think you have to tell people what ERA really stands for because not everyone’s going to know.

    Paul Bowers:The uh,

    Indra Bowers:The Equal Rights Amendment. It’s the Equal Rights Amendment people.

    Paul Bowers:By the way.

    Indra Bowers:  And just so we’re clear it never passed.

    Paul Bowers:No, but you know what party floated it?

    Indra Bowers:Yeah.

    Paul Bowers:The Republicans.

    Indra Bowers:Yeah.

    Paul Bowers: Republicans floated it.

    Indra Bowers:Yeah.

    Paul Bowers: It’s a big deal.

    Indra Bowers:And supported by the women’s movement and it still died.

    Indra Bowers:But it died because of the…

    Paul Bowers: Well anyway.

    Indra Bowers:The right the very right.

    Paul Bowers:  Nevertheless, I gave that some thoughtful consideration and I thought well, of course that makes sense. It would be ridiculous to pay a woman less money simply because of her attachments or lack of attachments. But then I thought well that’s also the equal responsibility act and it’s going to change our country fundamentally and I thought I can get behind that. I believe in that I think that that’s true and since then I started challenging myself at every opportunity to think about what our country would be like if there was truly, equal rights.

    Indra Bowers:Oh, by the way, there is a movement.

    Paul Bowers: Oh, wait, is this going to be a political commentary?

    Indra Bowers:There is a movement now a foot.

    Paul Bowers:  A foot? Foot movement?

    Indra Bowers:To bring back the ERA although where we’re headed right now in this country….

    Paul Bowers: Oh, here we go.

    Indra Bowers:I don’t know how it will go, but I did meet a woman in LA who is working, like seriously working on trying to bring the ERA back.

    Paul Bowers: Well, it was first floated when I was 16 and although it didn’t pass it did stick with me. So, from the very beginning, I knew that that was an option. If it was an option for my wife, my fantasy in my head wife and it was an option for me as well and it became a thing for me to decide who was best qualified for each one and when you and I met you were already making, you were essentially making the same numbers that I was but you just added a zero to them and I looked at that and I said, there is no way that I’m ever you know, as a self-employed photographer.

    I enjoyed my work but there’s no way I’m going to catch up to that number. Unless I change careers do something very different than maybe but that doesn’t make sense and given who you are and the nature of what you’re good at. I thought this could work, I could do that.

    Now, my regret is that I didn’t start sooner I would have liked to have started sooner. Part of me though didn’t believe it I didn’t believe it could be that good and the other part of the regret that I have with that we’ve already mentioned is I would have home schooled him from the very get go. I would have skipped the whole public-school thing completely and he would have had a very different educational experience, not that he’s in some terrible deficit.

    Indra Bowers:He’s fine.

    Paul Bowers: He’s fine, but I when I look at in retrospect, what school became for him and, what a burden it took for him to learn things. Like wow, get him out of there. I actually have tacos on Monday mornings with a group of guys that, mostly guys and one of them, brought his daughter who I think is eight years and this girl is smart as a whip and we got along great and I took him aside later and I said get her out of public school. Well, she’s in parochial school, get her out of there too and home-school her, give her a chance, give her an opportunity.

    Indra Bowers: Is he at home?

    Paul Bowers:I think he is most of the time I don’t know exactly. I don’t know him well, but that was my thing when I saw her; I saw her capability which took about three paragraphs of her speaking I said this is a kid that needs to be out of regular school sitting at a desk with the teacher in front of the class lecturing and handing out worksheets, that paradigm has got to be broken.

    Indra Bowers:Oooh look who’s getting political now.

    Paul Bowers: [Laughing]This has gone down a different road. So, I have this sheet, huh? And I can tell you that it was sent to us by a woman and there are five questions on here of an extremely intimate nature. Yeah, and this is not really where I want to go with the podcast.

    But at the same time, you know, maybe she needs answers for some other reason and so what I thought we could do is we could go through the questions one by one and just provide the answers.

    Indra Bowers:So only she’ll understand. Only you, only for you.

    Paul Bowers: Only for you dear listener, so first let’s look at. Okay, number one for me that’s a no

    Indra Bowers:Me too.

    Paul Bowers: Okay, easy enough, second one. What do you think?

    Indra Bowers:Maybe.

    Paul Bowers: Really?

    Indra Bowers:Yeah, maybe yeah.

    Paul Bowers: Wait wait wait.

    Indra Bowers:Yeah, and now we can’t go into details

    Paul Bowers: I’m not going into detail but just, I just want to confirm really? Wow.

    Indra Bowers:Trying to be open minded.

    Paul Bowers:  That’s good. Question number 3 the answer would easily be sometimes on number 3. What do you think?

    Indra Bowers:It is sometimes [laughter].

    Paul Bowers: And number four all the time 100% Nope. No, no doubt about it.

    Indra Bowers:You would say that and okay I know why he’s saying that and the person who wrote the question will know, will understand why he’s saying that. It’s cool. Cool.

    Paul Bowers: All right. What is that four?

    Indra Bowers:Yeah, that was four.

    Paul Bowers: Okay your answer for number 5.

    Indra Bowers:Number five is absolutely all the time for me.

    Paul Bowers:  Excellent, all right so on that note its time to wrap up this version of the OurBird Has Flown Podcastfrom WB6QWD.It is time, right?

    Indra Bowers:I had one question for you.

    Paul Bowers: Oh, do we have time? You know, this is a podcast.

    Indra Bowers:  Yeah, we can do whatever we want.

    Paul Bowers: We can do whatever we damn well please, we can be one of those podcasts that goes for 60 minutes. I have never understood that let’s see. What do you do that’s – Indra what do you do when you’re not working or being Mom?

    Indra Bowers:Other than sleeping?

    Paul Bowers: Well, we can go back to question number 5.

    Indra Bowers:[laughing]So when I’m not working or being mom or sleeping what I do for fun or for self-care or for mental health, there’s a few things first of all, I love to garden and if you look at the website, you will see images from the garden in particular.

    Paul Bowers: That’s ourbirdhasflown.com

    Indra Bowers:In particular, I am a tomato farmer and so I’m known on, we’re known on our street as being the” Tomato house’. So, the entire front yard Paul had ripped up the grass because it’s environmentally unsound and while I was away on a business trip he built three beautiful planter boxes for me and ever since then every late winter-early spring I plant them full of tomatoes and each year I learn a little more and I love to plant heirlooms, so I garden. The other thing that I like to do is cook and bake but in particular bake and if you go to the website,

    Paul Bowers: Ready Set bake

    Indra Bowers:Right you love that show, that’s the Great British Baking Show for those of you that don’t know.

    Paul Bowers: Sorry we’re side tracked, by the way you did say on the street where we live and that of course brings Lerner and Lowe’s, is it time for my big musical number?

    Indra Bowers:Wow, are you going to sing for everybody?

    Paul Bowers:You know, I can’t because of copyright.

    Indra Bowers:Oh, you don’t think that’s in the public domain?

    Paul Bowers: No, Lerner and Lowe’s would have something to say about that.

    Indra Bowers:They’re both dead.

    Paul Bowers: I interrupted you. Well, it’s okay, when I’m dead you better still be making money off of my images. Don’t let people use my images because well he’s dead.

    Indra Bowers: So, I love to bake, and you can find some of my baking, savory and sweet also on the website.

    Paul Bowers: www.ourbirdhasflown.com

    Indra Bowers: I love to read, and I’ve actually been thinking that we should start doing posts about what we love to read, and we love movies and we could do some funny critiques on the Pod about movies. So maybe we’ll do that

    Paul Bowers: [inaudible 00:08:32]do I get to be the guy with the antlers

    Indra Bowers: Sure.

    Paul Bowers: Mystery Science Theater.

    Indra Bowers: You’re going to have to do a photo for that for insta and then I love to hike, and I love to travel, and we write about that on the website as well at www.ourbirdhasflown.com as if you don’t already know that.

    Paul Bowers:  That’s right. So, is it time for my big musical number?

    Indra Bowers:Go for it!

    Paul Bowers: I can’t.

    Indra Bowers:Oh, sorry folks.

    Paul Bowers: One day I’ll have to purchase the rights to one of those songs. But I did watch My Fair Lady the other night, it was just a fantastic, poor Freddy out there on the street, you know, he’s such a simpering wimp, you know.

    Indra Bowers:I love that you watch that movie when I’m not even here.

    Paul Bowers: “But the pavement always stayed beneath my feet before.’ So, do you hear the music?

    [Music]

    Indra Bowers:I hear the music.

    Paul Bowers: That means it’s time to wrap up this…

    Indra Bowers:  Aww I’m sad.

    Paul Bowers: We’ll do this again, time to wrap up this episode of the Our Bird Has Flown podcast. I’m joined here in the dusty Urban Ham shack studio today by Indra Gardiner

    Bowers.

    Indra Bowers:Bye y’all

    Paul Bowers: Our podcast is no longer remotely produced, our podcast is now produced in-house here at station of WB6QWD. Our sponsors are Green Fresh Florals at greenfreshflorals.com and the National Conflict Resolution Center at ncrconline.com visit our website at  www.ourbirdhasflown.comwhere we talk about our Topsy, Turvy home life and our college bird Jesse Bowers and  let me leave you with something that  Socrates said.

    Indra Bowers:What did Socrates say? Were you there?

    Paul Bowers: What Socrates said is OZ never did give nothing to the Tin Man that he didn’t, didn’t already have. Thanks for clicking in everybody, we’ll see you soon.

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